Dear Shaheer, True, as a good friend of mine and a staunch believer.
Hope you are doing fine and well.
Here it is raining, hence every now and then current and internet goes off.
Hence, sorry for being late in responding to you, which you wanted, for the reason you know, to be through messaging personally, than through face book walls.
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Dear Shaheer,
Starting with the same wording you used.
“Seek the knowledge even if it is from China”
Good.
But, what does that mean?
It means to say that:
Seek than sticking on to old and told.
Than repeatedly saying old is gold.
Find your own in your own till your conviction.
Each and every one is given freedom
To have his own knowledge and conviction.
Dear Shaheer?
Why should one seek knowledge, if he has got last and final,
And if he thinks what he has is the last and final?
It means one should not think so,
And one should not find or see finality in and with any.
God is ever new, and is in novelty.
Mohammed meant that only, if at all, he happened to say the words:
“Seek the knowledge even if it is from China”.
Dear Shaheer,
Why should one seek knowledge at all?
Because there is every chance what he has known or believed in already to be wrong.
Hence one should doubt whatever he believes in and knows too.
Dear Shaheer, only with and by doubting one starts to be on the path of knowing.
So, each and every one is asked to doubt till his conviction.
Dear Shaheer, do you know what is real Hidaayath?
It is right path orr finding right path.
Even Mohammed considered
Hidaayath is never got, mostly ever sought in the case of most majority.
Hence, he too sough the right path 17 times a day.
Hence, his saying: “Seek the knowledge even if it is from China”.
It is equal to seeking right path too, 17 times a day.
Dear Shaheer,
Seeking right path is not a mechanical or ritual thing to be done or to happen.
It cannot be done imitating.
It is and it has to be done consciously, by one’s own seeking in one’s own way.
Hence, instructed to seek Hidaayath 17 times a day.
Why?
In order not to think and never be stuck half way,
Not to be mechanical on the way of orthodoxy or beliefs,
Never to think I am on right path, and
Never to think I have got the last and final.
Dear Shaheer,
Right path is getting the real knowledge too.
Right path and real knowledge is ever sought and is ever to be sought.
It is getting to new and it is in novelty.
It is every time happening.
It is flowing and letting flow.
It is every time progressing and changing.
For each according to his own.
For an ant in its, and for an elephant in its, level.
Dear Shaheer,
This is the instruction Mohammed made for even Mohammed to follow.
He even had to seek and had sought right path with no stopping 17 times a day.
He never did put a full stop to seeking further.
He was also only a seeker.
Hence he said: “Seek the knowledge even if it is from China”
And to seek the right path 17 times a day compulsorily.
He even wanted all other people to pray for him in this case.
So only, a prayer for him in every your prayer.
Dear Shaheer,
Now again, think.
Why to seek knowledge from China?
Is it only from china?
China is only symbolic.
It means from anywhere, from any one,
Even after Mohammed,
Without stopping in and with Mohammed.
What is knowledge then?
Knowledge is any new information that may confirm or deny what we have already knew or believed in.
Dear Shaheer, knowledge means new, changing the old,
Which naturally will mean mostly denial of old.
One can’t move forward without letting the foot put forward go behind.
Without denying and doubting one cannot seek and find the truth.
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Dear Shaheer,
Nothing is said to deny Mohammed or God. Mere denial will not and cannot deny in real terms.
But, Shaheer, what is said is to include God and truth in all, and to include all in truth and God.
Not to limit the truth and God into mohammed and Quran or into particular time or Book.
And also not to limit Muhammed or Jesus only into the way you or anyone say about him.
Truth and God are in continuity and continuous flow, through each and every one, with no full stop, not even commas.
Not to limit the truth and God into mohammed and Quran or into particular time or Book.
And also not to limit Muhammed or Jesus only into the way you or anyone say about him.
Truth and God are in continuity and continuous flow, through each and every one, with no full stop, not even commas.
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Dear Shaheer, you have all the right and freedom to consider mango as a good and tasty fruit.
No doubt it is a tasty fruit too.
You can also stick on to eat only the mango as a fruit through out your life.
No problem.
No one will come in your way. It is your choice.
No doubt it is a tasty fruit too.
You can also stick on to eat only the mango as a fruit through out your life.
No problem.
No one will come in your way. It is your choice.
But, Shaheer, only request in the above case is that,
You should not deny other fruits and its tastes
In order to ascertain mango as the only fruit and as the only tasty fruits.
You should not deny other fruits and its tastes
In order to ascertain mango as the only fruit and as the only tasty fruits.
Also, going in the above way in that direction,
You should not have a tendency (very intolerant and extremistic tendency)
To destroy all other fruits and kill its eaters just for establishing the mango as the only fruit or the only tasty fruit
And to claim it is the only last and final fruit that humans can have and should taste and eat.
You should not have a tendency (very intolerant and extremistic tendency)
To destroy all other fruits and kill its eaters just for establishing the mango as the only fruit or the only tasty fruit
And to claim it is the only last and final fruit that humans can have and should taste and eat.
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Dear Shaheer, one can have and should be given freedom to see and imagine God and Truth the way he can from within all his limitations.
Even our children get that freedom in relation to understanding their father and mother or any one.
They are also not asked to understand their father just the way their mother or any other see their father.
Even our children get that freedom in relation to understanding their father and mother or any one.
They are also not asked to understand their father just the way their mother or any other see their father.
Dear Shaheer, No one should be asked to feel and imagine God and truth only in the same way Mohammed or some other has done in the past.
Each and every one is unique by God’s own creation (as we may claim and experience),
Hence each and everyone can and will have unique thinking and perception about God and truth, all only as relative.
Wrong, but right.
Right, but wrong.
Hence each and everyone can and will have unique thinking and perception about God and truth, all only as relative.
Wrong, but right.
Right, but wrong.
At least, dear Shaheer, unlike father and mother,
God is not at all depending on (hence will not ask in desperation) our understanding and belief in him.
God is not at all depending on (hence will not ask in desperation) our understanding and belief in him.
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Dear Shaheer, your question is a question that any one from any majority community can easily ask even to Mohammed or Jesus Christ or Socrates, making and claiming the majority factor as their big logic, ground and proof to disprove Mohammed or Jesus or Socrates and their truth.
It is a kind of imposing majoritarianism, against one’s freedom to have and apply common sense and logic of his own, at least in relation to seeking, finding and connecting himself with his creator, God, the almighty and all knowing.
It is a kind of imposing majoritarianism, against one’s freedom to have and apply common sense and logic of his own, at least in relation to seeking, finding and connecting himself with his creator, God, the almighty and all knowing.
Dear Shaheer, Abu Jahl had the majority when Mohammed came with his views of truth (new as for Abu Jahl or Meccans).
Abu Jahl too made it as a big ground, logic and proof.
So, wasn’t Abu Jahl right, in the same you are now?
Abu Jahl too made it as a big ground, logic and proof.
So, wasn’t Abu Jahl right, in the same you are now?
As for Abu Jahl, Mohammed was bringing in a new truth, against the prevailing belief system of prevailing majority.
Wasn’t Abu Jahl then right to stand against Mohammed, in the same you do?
At least, we can say, Abu Jahl was not wrong.
Wasn’t Abu Jahl then right to stand against Mohammed, in the same you do?
At least, we can say, Abu Jahl was not wrong.
Abu Jahl too wanted to go with the prevailing system of beliefs, lazily.
He wanted to protect and defend the existing and prevailing.
He wanted to preserve and do whatever possible for the betterment of existing system, especially in order not to unsettle or disturb the existing belief system and believers, like you do try to do now in your way.
Abu Jahl and many like him (at the Time Mohammed) was like any religious preachers and scholars we happen to see and hear in today.
He wanted to protect and defend the existing and prevailing.
He wanted to preserve and do whatever possible for the betterment of existing system, especially in order not to unsettle or disturb the existing belief system and believers, like you do try to do now in your way.
Abu Jahl and many like him (at the Time Mohammed) was like any religious preachers and scholars we happen to see and hear in today.
What Abu Jahal did was what, in any likewise usual case or situation, any common believer would do.
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Dear Shaheer, It is not wrong for the people to believe in certain belief system or religion.
Let them believe.
They are poor and helpless.
They get their belief and religion mostly by birth to certain parents or community believing in particular religion.
Let them believe.
They are poor and helpless.
They get their belief and religion mostly by birth to certain parents or community believing in particular religion.
Dear Shaheer, Religions are for the people to rest their head.
To avoid the risk of seeking and thinking further high and deep.
To save their time so that they can easily use that time for material pursuits and earning like any one of do in our day to day life.
They happened to be in in certain belief system not by conscious selection or election at all.
They are there for no choice, helplessly, with their limitations. It is not a mistake at all.
To avoid the risk of seeking and thinking further high and deep.
To save their time so that they can easily use that time for material pursuits and earning like any one of do in our day to day life.
They happened to be in in certain belief system not by conscious selection or election at all.
They are there for no choice, helplessly, with their limitations. It is not a mistake at all.
Dear Shaheer, Our eye-sight cannot go far and long.
Hence, we are made to see the non-existing sky as roof like sky.
As very secure and protecting.
That is our religion too.
Hence, we are made to see the non-existing sky as roof like sky.
As very secure and protecting.
That is our religion too.
Dear Shaheer, the problems is not with what we believe in or with what we can believe from within our capacity and limitations.
The problems is when we are made to say or believe that ours is the only true belief system or path.
The problems is when we are taught ours is the last and final version of truth.
The problems is when we deny others’ chance of being right in the same way we are, just because we have to say ours only is the truth and ours is the last and final.
Dear Shaheer, there, such believers become intolerants and extremists, in the same way Muslims all over the world are becoming, with respect to their belief or in defending their belief system or religion.
Dear Shaheer, God is truly independent of all these, if God is God and if God has to be God.
God is the one who can simply know that nobody (including Shaheer) know him.
God is the one who created our limitations, hence knows our limitations.
If God is a God, he will be neither needing to market him nor giving commission for such marketing.
If God is a God, he will be neither needing to compel or threat to obey him, nor needing to be happy by seeing you believe and obey him.
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Dear Shaheer, The world we live in is good and fine without religions.
No need is there of any particular Mohammed and his religion or book to cleanse and systematise the world.
Because God is running and working through all every time.
Hence the world that we see and live in today, progressing, moving and changing, everyday every moment, inspite of resistance from so-called religions through out.
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Dear Shaeer, Then your question about Muslims being one fourth of the world.
What do you think about the other three fourth, the brute majority, against what you think as the right path, the last and final?
Is the God becoming a big failure with respect to that three fourth?
Should we make and depict God as such a failure in this way?
Also what do you think about 99.999 % of this one fourth Muslims, not knowing what the real Islam is, in the way minority islamists preach about it.
Is the God becoming a big failure with respect to that 99.999% too?
Should we make and depict God as such a failure in this way?
Instead, won’t it be better to say God is through all and every one without stopping and without having to need or artificially instruct or want to market.
Dear Shaheer, Christians also are in the same way almost half of the world.
Buddhists and Hindus too are very big factions.
You know mostly people become believers blindly by birth, by chance, including you (though you may artificially claim and argue that later on you did make thorough studies and selected, which is not the case of 99.9999% to put it frankly). Religions and its beliefs are prevailing mostly by imposing on innocent children.
Also you know how many among Muslims (what you call one fourth of the world) are really the real Muslims as per the Islamic principles that certain Islamic people preach about.
For most of the believers, religion is only like pillow, just to lay their head in order to avoid thinking or knowing further in that direction.
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Dear Shaheer, The world we live in is good and fine without religions.
No need is there of any particular Mohammed and his religion or book to cleanse and systematise the world.
Because God is running and working through all every time.
Hence the world that we see and live in today, progressing, moving and changing, everyday every moment, inspite of resistance from so-called religions through out.
1 comment:
Dear Sri.Raheem, you have put it very
Clearly with apt examples. Religion as a
Pillow for the lazy. Religion as the non
Existing sky. Hear, those who have ears.
I will add religion is a mouse trap. It's fabricated by crooked and constricted minds. Those who celebrate freedom like the brooding mountains and chirping sparrows and flying birds are lucky because they live natural. Namaste my friend
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