Yes Razak,
Your interpretations are
great.
I can do nothing
But appreciate you whole-heartedly.
But appreciate you whole-heartedly.
You can make a cup
into an ocean,
With your pen and tongue.
With your pen and tongue.
But I fear,
If it is at the cost
of
Real ocean of all truth
From where the water
In your cup were taken.
In your cup were taken.
I fear,
If it is to say only
Mohammed got
A cup of water from the
ocean
And what all others got, after him,
Is not and can never be the water
From the same Ocean, God.
And what all others got, after him,
Is not and can never be the water
From the same Ocean, God.
I fear,
If it is to say what
Mohammed collected
Only is
Only is
What the whole ocean?
I fear,
If it is to say only the
cup (Quran)
Can and should remain
Can and should remain
As both the cup and the ocean,
Not and never any other cup or ocean
Other than the cup of Quran.
Other than the cup of Quran.
I fear,
If it is to say no one
else can go
And no one else has to go
And no one else has to go
To and near the same ocean again
To collect another cup
of water,
After Mohammed and
Quran.
I fear,
If it is to say the
ocean (God) is
Such a small and narrow
thing
(In time and
space)
That nothing else after
Quran
Can be God's word or talk
And the ocean is only
The cup that is Quran.
I fear,
If it is to mislead or lead
Innocent or ignorant people (Muslims)
To the dead end of
Extremism and intolerance,
To the dead end of not being able
To co-exist and cohabit with others
Of different belief system,
Thereby to terrorism,
Just for the reason,
And without needing any other reason,
That they take, as you interpret and claim,
Islam, Quran and Mohammed
As the only religion, book and prophet,
From God,
That is comprehensive, complete,
Exclusive and last and final.
I fear,
Your interpretation are such
That it would defeat God and Mohammed
To the extend that
God and Mohammed
Could not do and explain
What you could do and explain.
I fear,
You would have to say and claim
God and Mohammed was at failure
To read and reveal into
The commonsense of common people
And to their easy digestion.
And needed the support of interpretation
To get God's revelation digested
In the way, as you claim,
God really wants.
Also I fear, Razak, that
You want to establish more
The existence of devil than God
And the belief in devil than in God
So as to enable you to make
Commands of do-s and don'ts
In the name of God.
Without establishing devil
How can you get chance
To talk about and represent God?
How can you make laws and rules
In the name of God?
That is why and where, Razan,
Quran, which you claim is of God,
Becoming the words and verses of devil,
And the words and verses made for devil.
Dear Razak,
What else would one need
To be extreme and intolerant
If he happens to believe,
As you claim and interpret,
Only Islam, Mohammed and Quran is right
And only Islam, Mohammed and Quran is,
Comprehensive, complete,
Exclusive and last and final, from God.
And what can one do,
But be extreme and intolerant,
If such a believer is asked to deny
The chance of all other belief systems,
Books and people from being right
And to believe all of them are
Inevitably wrong
And are not from God, but devil?
Especially, dear Razak,
And what would happend to such believers,
But be aggressively extreme
If such claims and interpretations
By Islamic scholars and leaders are
With the threat of hell
And the promise of heaven
For believing in and following Islam
Or for disbelieving or not following Islam?
And the ocean is only
The cup that is Quran.
I fear,
If it is to mislead or lead
Innocent or ignorant people (Muslims)
To the dead end of
Extremism and intolerance,
To the dead end of not being able
To co-exist and cohabit with others
Of different belief system,
Thereby to terrorism,
Just for the reason,
And without needing any other reason,
That they take, as you interpret and claim,
Islam, Quran and Mohammed
As the only religion, book and prophet,
From God,
That is comprehensive, complete,
Exclusive and last and final.
I fear,
Your interpretation are such
That it would defeat God and Mohammed
To the extend that
God and Mohammed
Could not do and explain
What you could do and explain.
I fear,
You would have to say and claim
God and Mohammed was at failure
To read and reveal into
The commonsense of common people
And to their easy digestion.
And needed the support of interpretation
To get God's revelation digested
In the way, as you claim,
God really wants.
Also I fear, Razak, that
You want to establish more
The existence of devil than God
And the belief in devil than in God
So as to enable you to make
Commands of do-s and don'ts
In the name of God.
Without establishing devil
How can you get chance
To talk about and represent God?
How can you make laws and rules
In the name of God?
That is why and where, Razan,
Quran, which you claim is of God,
Becoming the words and verses of devil,
And the words and verses made for devil.
Dear Razak,
What else would one need
To be extreme and intolerant
If he happens to believe,
As you claim and interpret,
Only Islam, Mohammed and Quran is right
And only Islam, Mohammed and Quran is,
Comprehensive, complete,
Exclusive and last and final, from God.
And what can one do,
But be extreme and intolerant,
If such a believer is asked to deny
The chance of all other belief systems,
Books and people from being right
And to believe all of them are
Inevitably wrong
And are not from God, but devil?
Especially, dear Razak,
And what would happend to such believers,
But be aggressively extreme
If such claims and interpretations
By Islamic scholars and leaders are
With the threat of hell
And the promise of heaven
For believing in and following Islam
Or for disbelieving or not following Islam?
*************
Dear Razak,
I cannot debate.
Just for the reason that
Debate creates only enemies,
Never any friend.
Only the noise,
Never the meaning.
Only the suffocation,
Never breathing in and out.
Only the noise,
Never the meaning.
Only the suffocation,
Never breathing in and out.
Just for the reason that
No one in debates wins,
Both claim their win.
Both claim their win.
And no one in debates
Admits his loss or defeat.
Just for the reason
That debates are not done
To give and take, or
To share and grow,
But to deny and defeat
And win over the other .
Just for the reason,
Beyond all proofs and logic,
If one of the debaters'
Main weapon to win is
A promise of heaven or
A threat of hell,
That too using the cause of
Death and after life.
Just for the reason
Common sense and conscience.
Wherein God and truth
Reveals himself and itself
Throughout and continuous.
God and and truth is
Through me and you and all,
Unless the doors or windows
Of conscience and commonsense,
Already open otherwise,
Are not closed.
So, just need to keep
The doors of commonsense
And conscience open
Or acknowledge it.
That is all.
God is and will be there.
Truth is and will be
Revealed and talked.
Throughout and all along.
Wherein
The objectivity gets lost
And subjectivity gets
Remaining and prevailing.
Wherein rules and stipulations
For and of life and the world
Do not come from external,or from
Any particular time,
Or person of book,
But it trickles from and within
Life and its flow
Continuous and throughout
As continuous dance and walk
Of God or life.
Without a stop in any place,
Or in any time or language
Or in any book or person.
Common sense and conscience
Requires only this much:
'If you happen truthfully
To know and believe,
Believe and know.
If you happen truthfully
Not to know and believe,
Do not know and believe.'
That much is and will be
The want and need of
Never wanting or needing God,
Or of conscience and commonsense.
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The majority is ever made and misled
Admits his loss or defeat.
Just for the reason
That debates are not done
To give and take, or
To share and grow,
But to deny and defeat
And win over the other .
Just for the reason,
Beyond all proofs and logic,
If one of the debaters'
Main weapon to win is
A promise of heaven or
A threat of hell,
That too using the cause of
Death and after life.
Just for the reason
To be
winning in debates
It will be a must
For your audience
To quote and refer
For your audience
To quote and refer
From the source that
Your audience accept and approve.
Your audience accept and approve.
Dear Razak
M M Akbar, Zakir Naik and you
M M Akbar, Zakir Naik and you
May have lot and enough
To quote and refer such
From Quran, Bible and Gita
To argue vigorously and
With great objectivity.
So, naturally, in front of
Such ignorant majority,
(Who don't know
What they do, believe,
Talk and follow)
Victory will always be yours.
From Quran, Bible and Gita
To argue vigorously and
With great objectivity.
So, naturally, in front of
Such ignorant majority,
(Who don't know
What they do, believe,
Talk and follow)
Victory will always be yours.
Especially,
As long as Quran, Gita
and Bible
Remain and prevail objectively
As the divine books and reference-point
And as long as the subjectivity,
Common sense and conscience,
Becomes a big curse and burden
For the majority in the audience.
Common sense and conscience,
Becomes a big curse and burden
For the majority in the audience.
But for me Razak,
Common sense and conscience
Is the only reference-point and book.
Common sense and conscience
Is the only reference-point and book.
Where nothing of such kind
I will get to quote and refer.
And as for me, this is what
I will get to quote and refer.
As for me Razak, through anyone,
For whom God stays in his conscience,
God and truth reveals
And talks throughout.
And talks throughout.
And as for me, this is what
Mohammed and Jesus meant
When they said
They got
revelations from God.
Every one such gets
Revelations from God
Every now and then.
Common sense and conscience.
Is one's only mirror:
Wherein one can reflect himself
Wherein one can reflect himself
And be truthful thereby.
Wherein God and truth
Reveals himself and itself
Throughout and continuous.
God and and truth is
Through me and you and all,
Unless the doors or windows
Of conscience and commonsense,
Already open otherwise,
Are not closed.
So, just need to keep
The doors of commonsense
And conscience open
Or acknowledge it.
That is all.
God is and will be there.
Truth is and will be
Revealed and talked.
Throughout and all along.
Wherein
The objectivity gets lost
And subjectivity gets
Remaining and prevailing.
Wherein rules and stipulations
For and of life and the world
Do not come from external,or from
Any particular time,
Or person of book,
But it trickles from and within
Life and its flow
Continuous and throughout
As continuous dance and walk
Of God or life.
Without a stop in any place,
Or in any time or language
Or in any book or person.
Common sense and conscience
Requires only this much:
'If you happen truthfully
To know and believe,
Believe and know.
If you happen truthfully
Not to know and believe,
Do not know and believe.'
That much is and will be
The want and need of
Never wanting or needing God,
Or of conscience and commonsense.
*********************
The majority is ever made and misled
To disbelieve and doubt themselves,
Their conscience and
common sense,
So that to close all their windows and doors.
So that to close all their windows and doors.
So is it a requirement and relevance for them
Of revelations through specific person or book
In specific time or place.
And so is it their need
Either go for any religion
Or for any kind of intoxication.
Just to make sure that
They forget themselves
And escape from their
Conscience and common sense.
In specific time or place.
And so is it their need
Either go for any religion
Or for any kind of intoxication.
Just to make sure that
They forget themselves
And escape from their
Conscience and common sense.
Zakr Naik and such hard core debaters
With external proofs and
references
In front of their majority group
Will always be the clear-cut winners.
They can easily win over the public
With their scholarship than common sense.
As long as people are easily ready
To sell and forget themselves
For external position and possession
And to identify themselves
With such externals.
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They can easily win over the public
With their scholarship than common sense.
As long as people are easily ready
To sell and forget themselves
For external position and possession
And to identify themselves
With such externals.
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So, tell me Razak,
If that is the case of debates,
If that is the case of debates,
Is there any point in
debating
In front of such public
audience?
Can subjectivity be presented
The way objectivity, objective God
And its objective truth
Is presented?
Is presented?
Dear Razak
Those who have more
popular support
Easily get cleared and declared
won.
Abu Jahals and Namroods ever
Got the brute majority
In popular support.
In popular support.
And anyone who goes debating
In support of existing
belief system,
Easily gets the
certificate of winning
From the audience he is in.
From the audience he is in.
He can easily quote,
Misquote and manipulate.
Misquote and manipulate.
The whole atmosphere will be
Supportive and favorable
To and for him.
Supportive and favorable
To and for him.
Dear Razak,
Debate causes latching
of
Already closed rooms
from inside.
Especially in any normal case
People tend to rest their head
People tend to rest their head
Easily on the old and
told.
The sound of debate
is
The sound of knocking at
Each other's doors and
its latching.
It is only sending of
smoke out,
Allowing no fresh air
get in.
Whereas, dear Razak,
To be both giving and taking
You need to be open.
Open from both ends,
From bottom and top,
From left and right,
From front and back.
Only in openness
Fresh and new stays,
Change becomes life and flow.
Openness causes
Everything everytime changed
And causes only the new and fresh
Stay, that too not for long.
Whereas, dear Razak,
To be both giving and taking
You need to be open.
Open from both ends,
From bottom and top,
From left and right,
From front and back.
Only in openness
Fresh and new stays,
Change becomes life and flow.
Openness causes
Everything everytime changed
And causes only the new and fresh
Stay, that too not for long.
Dear Razak
For the majority of the
people,
As you may know,
Belief in religion or
God is
By birth or is attributed by birth.
And that is where
The strength and support
The strength and support
That all existing
religions enjoy.
And this is true when the fight is
Between
themselves too,
Or between the
wings/groups/factions
Within such religions.
People don’t need much
Reasoning and justifications
To start believing in
What their forefathers and their society
Believed and followed.
But with thousands of such logic
And justifications otherwise,
In most of the cases,
They won't change their belief
Got from their society and forefathers
Just by the qualification of their birth in it.
Belief first by birth.
Then from the community they live in.
Only later, they want to get
Justifications and logic for such beliefs
From scholars and leaders like you
That too to help them
Not to think further and otherwise.
Reasoning and justifications
To start believing in
What their forefathers and their society
Believed and followed.
But with thousands of such logic
And justifications otherwise,
In most of the cases,
They won't change their belief
Got from their society and forefathers
Just by the qualification of their birth in it.
Belief first by birth.
Then from the community they live in.
Only later, they want to get
Justifications and logic for such beliefs
From scholars and leaders like you
That too to help them
Not to think further and otherwise.
People easily go by the belief
They get by birth
Or from the society they
live in
With no kind of resistance or frictions.
With no kind of resistance or frictions.
So, with your
quotes/misquotes
And with your interpretations
too,
Without needing to go
Too much deep
into.
They want and learn
Only to resist and defend
The old and told
Only to resist and defend
The old and told
And keep away anything
new
That will change and
unsettle them, or
Their already got belief
system and status.
Dear Razak,
In spirituality.
That is why, dear Razak,
Dear Razak,
Newton's first law of motion
Suits for religions
And religious believers the most.
Same way it suits the most
For politicians and political parties.
Suits for religions
And religious believers the most.
Same way it suits the most
For politicians and political parties.
People tend and try
To rest and stay on old and told,
The way they are already in.
They won't like to move an inch
From where they are already in.
Or if at all they happen to be
In any kind of motion
Then, they will continue
To stay in such a motion
With the same speed
And in the same direction
Unless acted upon
By and with an extra force.
To rest and stay on old and told,
The way they are already in.
They won't like to move an inch
From where they are already in.
Or if at all they happen to be
In any kind of motion
Then, they will continue
To stay in such a motion
With the same speed
And in the same direction
Unless acted upon
By and with an extra force.
Here lies the strength and courage
Of all political parties in democracy
And of all religions and religious believers
Of all political parties in democracy
And of all religions and religious believers
That is why, dear Razak,
As you may know better,
AP and EK Sunni groups
AP and EK Sunni groups
Get more support in
Kerala
When Jamaath
and Mujahid groups
Have to confront with
them in such matters.
People usually don't like to rival or rebel.
They just want to remain safe and continue.
So to defend what is.
So to defend what is.
So, dear Razak,
What is the use of debating in front of them,
Especially on subjective matters?
Debate can be only on
The objectivity you created
And your religion represents.
Let them continue with
Whatever belief system they have
By the grace of their birth and life
In such a particular society,
Unless they deny the chance of others
Being right and righteous
And unless they become
Extreme and intolerant thereby.
Dear Razak,
What is the use of making the subject of
Believing in God or in absolute truth
An objective matter?
Why to ensure everyone believes
In one and the same way
As dictated by
Only one book or one person.
Debate can be only on
The objectivity you created
And your religion represents.
Let them continue with
Whatever belief system they have
By the grace of their birth and life
In such a particular society,
Unless they deny the chance of others
Being right and righteous
And unless they become
Extreme and intolerant thereby.
Dear Razak,
What is the use of making the subject of
Believing in God or in absolute truth
An objective matter?
Why to ensure everyone believes
In one and the same way
As dictated by
Only one book or one person.
For sure you can easily
declare yourself winning.
Like Kanthapuram or such
other Sunni scholars did
In the past
against Mujahid or Jamaath scholars.
People can't and won't
strictly follow
What scholars/writers quote and
misquote.
They can't strictly go
with and weigh
The merits and
demerits
Of the talks for and against
their belief system.
Most of them are very
keen
In keeping their social status
And financial security intact,
And financial security intact,
So not to change from
The belief system of their ancestor.
The belief system of their ancestor.
That was what people
of Arabia did
When Mohammed came with
new.
Later Mohammed got
strength
Only with politics and
political victory,
That too after he left for Medina.
Against political power very rarely
General people rebel and talk in open.
Mostly they tend to enjoy the benefits of
Going hand in hand with power and victory,
Or if not possible, talk only from behind.
That too after he left for Medina.
Against political power very rarely
General people rebel and talk in open.
Mostly they tend to enjoy the benefits of
Going hand in hand with power and victory,
Or if not possible, talk only from behind.
Only to the group of power and victory
People start entering and joining
People start entering and joining
In further big groups (afwaajan).
So people entered in big groups
Into the fold of Mohammed too
Only after it became the fold of
Victory and power.
So people entered in big groups
Into the fold of Mohammed too
Only after it became the fold of
Victory and power.
So, the same jahileen (ignorant)
Who resisted for, and defended, the status quo
Who resisted for, and defended, the status quo
Became the followers and
flag bearers
Of Mohammed then and
now.
99% of the people following
Mohammed,
As Muslims then and now,
As Muslims then and now,
Are the people like Abu
Jahl.
They are Jahileen (ignorant).
They never belong and
They never belonged
To what Mohammed really said
And stood for.
They don't know what they
Believe, talk and do.
They are Jahileen (ignorant).
They never belong and
They never belonged
To what Mohammed really said
And stood for.
They don't know what they
Believe, talk and do.
They are born Muslims
And they follow Mohammed
Only to rest their head
On old and told.
Not to risk and
Not to have to take risk of
Further thinking and learning.
And they follow Mohammed
Only to rest their head
On old and told.
Not to risk and
Not to have to take risk of
Further thinking and learning.
They just want to escape from the risk of
Having to search and verify further.
Their social and
financial status and security.
So, dear Razak,
The people whom you call Muslims,
Your followers,
Go with jahl, ignorance, and
With the knowledge of ignorance.
The people whom you call Muslims,
Your followers,
Go with jahl, ignorance, and
With the knowledge of ignorance.
With the support of
Jahl, ignorance,
With its new interpretatory knowledge,
With its new interpretatory knowledge,
And with the support of
The scholars and leaders of such Jahl.
The scholars and leaders of such Jahl.
Dear Razak,
This is not my becoming
judgmental.
It is only a statement
of fact,
Which happens and happened throughout
And which you will know
better than me.
This cannot be
debated
In front of such a jahil
groups either.
Leaders and interpreting
scholars are lucky
That most of their followers do not know
And do not want to know and take
risk of
Thinking further or
otherwise
To find the real God and absolute truth
Of freedom and
spontaneity,
Of life and its
flow.
*************************
Dear Razak,
With regard to
spirituality,
With regard to God and
absolute truth,
People mostly tend to
rest and rely
On their forefather,
scholars and leaders.
On the old and told.
On the old and told.
They will be happy with
whatever
Quotes and
interpretation they get
To justify their present
belief system.
To the old and told.
To the old and told.
They won't give
Much thought and time for that,
Much thought and time for that,
Except for doing certain
rituals
To conceal and console
Their guilt and guilt feeling
Their guilt and guilt feeling
Or to get an
escape/intoxication
Of forgetfulness.
Of forgetfulness.
But dear Razak,
With regard to material
search and earning
They won’t rely and
trust only on
Their forefather or
leaders and scholars.
They will not rest only on old and told.
They will not rest only on old and told.
They will work hard till
their end.
They will learn and experiment
New methods and ways.
They will learn and experiment
New methods and ways.
They will never make it
enough,
Even if they happen to die
With their such earning efforts or burning self
Even if they happen to die
With their such earning efforts or burning self
And even if their earnings
get piled up
Beyond their levels and
expectations
That their earnings will bury them in it.
That their earnings will bury them in it.
For that they will
change
Time and again
Their levels and expectations.
Their levels and expectations.
They will ensure that
they burn
Till they earn ash of their own life.
So, till the end of
their life.
So, dear Razak
This majority is there
And will be there with you
And will be there with you
To get more validation
to their
Old and told belief.
Old and told belief.
Search of absolute truth and
God,
They will leave it to
you,
And to their scholars,
leaders and ancestors
With all their strong
support.
They are just ready to follow, blindly.
And, as you may
know,
Abu Jahl was not
different in this case.
He just wanted to defend
And keep the status quo
Of old and told.
He just wanted to defend
And keep the status quo
Of old and told.
And Present day Muslims too are and will be,
Unlike Abu Jahl,
So good and innocently
in doing so,
As they are also given
with
Further promise/threat of
Heaven and hell.
Heaven and hell.
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Sorry Dear Razak,
I have limitations in
communicating
With and through
WhatsApp.
First of all I don’t use
Smart phone for myself.
Smart phone for myself.
Secondly I am not at all an expert
(Very slow
and uncomfortable)
In typing and editing on
smart phones.
And thirdly, very rarely
I happen
To see WhatsApp
through Fahira’s mobile
And hit my comment in it for a fun,
Without needing to hurt any one personally.
Without needing to hurt any one personally.
Dear Razak
Ayah you quoted in WhatsApp
To illustrate the
freedom
Of believing and
disbelieving
Was not about what will
be
In Islamic State.
In Islamic State.
You do quote and interpret
any ayah
And say this is this
Or mango is jack-fruit.
Or mango is jack-fruit.
People
following, as you know,
Are mostly unaware of
What is what
And what is in Quran
What is what
And what is in Quran
With its real context and meaning
So debating in front of
them in this way
Won’t do any good to the core.
It would even become
like
What Kanthapuram did with Mujahid.
What Kanthapuram did with Mujahid.
He did use such technique
To defeat Mujahids in the past.
To defeat Mujahids in the past.
Once, (this is only what I heard)
He asked Mujahid Scholars
To recite Suraal Ikhlas.
He asked Mujahid Scholars
To recite Suraal Ikhlas.
When they recited Sura
Al Ilkhlas
He started shouting and
claiming
"Mujahid moulavis have agreed
Sura Al Ikhlas is a Quranic Sura".
Poor innocent followers
declared him win.
They did not know and didn't want to know
The core and central theme of the debate.
The core and central theme of the debate.
They did not want to weigh and compare
The merits and demerits of arguments.
The merits and demerits of arguments.
Luckily they had the
brute majority to do so.
Dear Razak,
Your quotation's context
was not Islamic State
And what would happen in
an Islamic state
In the event of
conversion from the religion of Islam.
It was just a
general statement.
That Ayah was not
meant
To give freedom of
expression and belief
In Islamic State.
In Islamic State.
And as you may
know,
Freedom is not something
to be given.
It is one's right by
birth.
Inherent in every birth and life.
Inherent in every birth and life.
Only thing is that
Freedom of expression
and belief
Should not be curtailed.
Should not be curtailed.
Any expression
curtailing and denying
The freedom of
expression and belief
Will have to be noted,
not otherwise.
Especially one's conscience is
The transparent-most place for God
To see what each one is believing
And to stay therein hiding most possibly.
Detached from one's own conscience,
Dishonest to one's own conscience,
Knowing not what he himself is,
Really one becomes afraid,
Unable to stay alone,
Face himself face to face.
An hypocrite or a true disbeliever.
Afraid so, he would need to be engaged
In one or other activity ever
So as to escape from and evade
His own self. Not to know himself.
Especially one's conscience is
The transparent-most place for God
To see what each one is believing
And to stay therein hiding most possibly.
Detached from one's own conscience,
Dishonest to one's own conscience,
Knowing not what he himself is,
Really one becomes afraid,
Unable to stay alone,
Face himself face to face.
An hypocrite or a true disbeliever.
Afraid so, he would need to be engaged
In one or other activity ever
So as to escape from and evade
His own self. Not to know himself.
Dear Razak,
I am totally unable to
believe
Why God should punish
people at all,
If they can’t understand
and know God
In one particular way as dictated
(Which is equal to idolization)
(Which is equal to idolization)
Or in a very particular
way
Mohammed or some other
Wanted or knew.
Why should one be killed,
For converting from Islam
In Islamic State
In the beautiful name of
Treason and apostasy
And with the beautiful interpretation
With the ayah
"Al Fithnath Ashaddhu MinalQathl"?
Wanted or knew.
Why should one be killed,
For converting from Islam
In Islamic State
In the beautiful name of
Treason and apostasy
And with the beautiful interpretation
With the ayah
"Al Fithnath Ashaddhu MinalQathl"?
Why should God punish at
all
For one's inability to believe.
For one's inability to believe.
To believe in God is and should be a matter of
One's ability and
inability
With the faculties and
limitations
He is given with.
To believe in God is not
And should not be God's
Desperate need or want.
Respecting God should not be
A foolish requirement of God.
To believe in God is not
And should not be God's
Desperate need or want.
Respecting God should not be
A foolish requirement of God.
Why should God be that
helpless
To make belief in him happen
If one cannot in real
terms
Understand and
believe
The way Mohammed
or God knows of God?
Rather God has to be
appreciative of
Anyone who happens not to believe
The way others do by imitation or lie,
Just because he is unable to witness
And testify himself by his own.
(Meaning and doing real shahaadath).
Just because he is unable to witness
And testify himself by his own.
(Meaning and doing real shahaadath).
Just because such a disbeliever
Is a honest person, or
At least not a hypocrite.
He is not an imitator,
Falsely claiming his belief
Or doing false witnessing.
He is not an imitator,
Falsely claiming his belief
Or doing false witnessing.
He is the one who thinks
And takes the risk of
Not resting his
head
On old and told.
And he is the one
Who is ready to lose
His social and financial
Status and security.
And he is the one
Who is ready to lose
His social and financial
Status and security.
Why God should be
depicted in such ways
As desperate, helpless,
wanting, angry
Towards his creation's
inability
To understand and believe in him
To understand and believe in him
The way Mohammed or some other
Believed or understood him?
Believed or understood him?
Why should God be asking
For belief and respect at all
For belief and respect at all
That too in such foolish
way,
By giving
offers, schemes, discount, etc.,
Or by threatening of
punishing in hell
Or by not accepting any
good act or deed
From disbeliever
Done innocently and selflessly,
Unlike the believers?
From disbeliever
Done innocently and selflessly,
Unlike the believers?
Razak ... shame on such
a God
And shame on such a depiction of God.
And shame on such a depiction of God.
Dear Razak,
The God I know and I can
know
Is a God understandable
to all
In any way they can
And is a God
understanding all
With all his creations'
Limitations and inabilities.
Limitations and inabilities.
For me he is a God
Who can and who will
understand
The limitations and
inabilities
Of all and humans.
For he is a God
Who talks and reveals himself
Through common sense and conscience.
For me
My belief in God is not
A matter and need
Of God
But a need and a matter
Of me alone.
Of all and humans.
For he is a God
Who talks and reveals himself
Through common sense and conscience.
For me
My belief in God is not
A matter and need
Of God
But a need and a matter
Of me alone.
For me,
He is a God who won’t have to
He is a God who won’t have to
Compel anyone to look
Fr him and his truth into
Fr him and his truth into
Only one book, one
time,
One language, one place,
One direction and one person,
One direction and one person,
Or else wanting to
punish them all.
God I know is a God of
All books and words,
All books and words,
Be it is of me or you or
Pamman
Or Basheer or Einstein.
Or Basheer or Einstein.
He is the one
Talking and intervening
Everywhere, every time
And causing everything
Talking and intervening
Everywhere, every time
And causing everything
To happen then and
there,
Now and here,
Now and here,
For the reasons
Within and without
The control of his creations.
God I know is a God
Reachable, accessible
And referable from and through
Within and without
The control of his creations.
God I know is a God
Reachable, accessible
And referable from and through
Any book, any time,
Any language, any place,
Any direction and any person.
Referable through one's own
Commonsense and conscience too.
Referable through one's own
Commonsense and conscience too.
God I want to present and represent
Is a God emancipated from the claws
Is a God emancipated from the claws
Of all religions and its definitions,
Accessible, knowing and
knowable
To and for all
In any way and name they want.
In any time and place they want.
In any way and name they want.
In any time and place they want.
This is the
revelation I get
About God, from God.
This is the revelation
Any one with common sense will get
About God, from God.
And this the revelation
Anyone who keeps his conscience open
Get about God, from God.
About God, from God.
This is the revelation
Any one with common sense will get
About God, from God.
And this the revelation
Anyone who keeps his conscience open
Get about God, from God.
Such a God won't be a God
Having to ask and want
Having to ask and want
To believe in him
desperately.
He won't be the one
Having to ask
Each and everyone desperately
Having to ask
Each and everyone desperately
To market him, that too,
With great offers, schemes and discounts.
With great offers, schemes and discounts.
**************
Dear Razak,
As I said , Islam is
right.
Not because Islam only is right,
Or inevitably right,
Or not because
All other belief systems are wrong,
Or inevitably wrong.
But dear Razak,
Or inevitably right,
Or not because
All other belief systems are wrong,
Or inevitably wrong.
But dear Razak,
Islam is right just
because
All other religions are equally
right.
All are equally
right
Because all are equally
wrong.
In this relative world,
And in this world of relativity,
And in this world of relativity,
To put positively you
can say,
All are equally
right,
Because all are equally wrong too.
Because all are equally wrong too.
And if you want to put
it negatively
You can say all are
equally wrong,
Because all are equally right too.
Because all are equally right too.
Especially the concept and beliefs
About absolute truth and
God.
Dear Razak,
In the mean time,
Islam is, or Islam becomes,
Wrong too,
Wrong too,
Only when it
claims
Only Islam is right,
final and exclusive
And only Islam can be right, final and exclusive.
And only Islam can be right, final and exclusive.
Dear Razak,
There is nothing special
in Islam
To make only Islam
final, right and exclusive.
There is nothing special
in Quran too
To make Quran only final,
right and exclusive.
It is only a book
Like any other book, unique.
Like any other book, unique.
Sometimes Quran is and can be
Less than many other books
And sometimes Quran is and can be
More than many other books.
Less than many other books
And sometimes Quran is and can be
More than many other books.
Dear Razak
It is true, indisputably true
No one can write another book
No one can write another book
Like Quran is
written.
But it is also indisputably true and right
That no one can think and write
That no one can think and write
Like Vaikom Muhammed
Basheer or Razak
Or like Pamman or Shakespeare too.
All are equally thought
and written unique.
As everything is equally unique,
Happening equally unique.
As everything is equally unique,
Happening equally unique.
Things once happened is never repeated.
Imitations are only
imitations.
Never is it a repetition.
Copying cannot mean
Repeating or writing again.
Repeating or writing again.
And writing same way
same thing
Is and will only be
An imitation or copying
or plagiarism.
Dear Razak,
Quran is a book divine and Godly
Just because all in this
universe is
Divine and godly.
Divine and godly.
Nothing is other than from God
And nothing is other than that of God.
And nothing is other than that of God.
Mohammed is a
prophet
Just because nobody is
other than a prophet,
In each one's respective
field, spot and time.
Only difference is Mohammed (especially Khadija)
Happened to know this and claimed,
But never denying others'such chance.
Only difference is Mohammed (especially Khadija)
Happened to know this and claimed,
But never denying others'such chance.
God’s interference and
revelations are continuous,
Never stopping in time
and place.
It causes the progress
and flow of life throughout.
It comes and happens through
all of us too.
(Through each and every
one
In respective field, time and way).
*****************
Dear Razak,
I can dare say
I am with God
And I am talking only the truth,
Without expecting
And without having to expect
Any reward or respect.
And without having to expect
Any reward or respect.
I can do it alone and
I want to do it alone, selflessly,
I want to do it alone, selflessly,
Being truthful to my own
conscience,
So being truthful in
front of
God, the totality, too.
God, the totality, too.
I can also daresay, Razak,
I am talking for and on
behalf of
God and truth.
Whatever I do and talk
is
What God does and
talks.
Like any so called
Or so attributed prophet
I too am, like you too are,
The tool and hand of God.
Like any so called
Or so attributed prophet
I too am, like you too are,
The tool and hand of God.
It is not only true in
my case.
Whatsoever is done and
talked
In this universality,
By anything and anyone
By anything and anyone
Is what God does, talk
and do.
God is the one
Talking and doing
Through all,
Throughout and all along,
Talking and doing
Through all,
Throughout and all along,
With no full stop
And without having to claim.
And without having to claim.
God is the flame and flow.
Continuing through life
and its flow.
Causing life and the
universe
Progress and
expand.
Giving revelation
through
Each and every one.
Each and every one.
Be it you or me or
Mohammed
Or Einstein or
Copernicus.
**************
Dear Razak,
Just I am
emancipating
(Already free God)
From the clutches of
religions
In the world of
relatives.
I just want to see God
and truth is
For all the same
And all are equal to
God and truth.
Easily accessible and
reachable.
As for me,
Mohammed and Jesus freed
God and truth,
But political Islam and Christianity
Again confined God and
truth.
But no problem and nothing to complain,
God or truth
Never gains or lose any thing.
God never complains and worries.
God and truth is same
In quantity and quality,
Irrespective of anyone's
Belief or disbelief
In him or truth.
Denying or believing
In God or truth,
You are never
Closer to or farther from
God or Truth.
You are only in and with
Truth and God.
But no problem and nothing to complain,
God or truth
Never gains or lose any thing.
God never complains and worries.
God and truth is same
In quantity and quality,
Irrespective of anyone's
Belief or disbelief
In him or truth.
Denying or believing
In God or truth,
You are never
Closer to or farther from
God or Truth.
You are only in and with
Truth and God.
God and truth is a
continuously
Revealed and flowing fact.
Political Islam and Christianity wanted it
Revealed and flowing fact.
Political Islam and Christianity wanted it
To be stopped with it
for all.
But couldn't do so
Just for the reason
The revelation from God of truth
Is just a continuous unstoppable flow.
But couldn't do so
Just for the reason
The revelation from God of truth
Is just a continuous unstoppable flow.
Political Islam and Christianity
claimed
For Mohammed and
Jesus
What Mohammed and
Jesus I know
Did not do and claim for
themselves,
And what Mohammed and Jesus did not like
To do and claim for
themselves.
Mohammed I know
Did not want to see him
Did not want to see him
As the last and
final.
He did not claim him only
To be the prophet, but all,
If they happen to know as such.
He did not claim him only
To be the prophet, but all,
If they happen to know as such.
So only, Mohammed I know
Did not come with a book of Quran
In his lifetime.
Did not come with a book of Quran
In his lifetime.
And no one with Mohammed collected
His words (hadith) or Quran
When he was alive.
His words (hadith) or Quran
When he was alive.
God also did not give Mohammed
The so called and
claimed to be
The last and final book in any book
form,
As seen today, written and compiled.
As seen today, written and compiled.
And there is nothing
special
To make Quran only in particular
To be the words of God,
To be the words of God,
(Even after getting it
compiled
By humans in an
artificial way
By heavy political will)
By heavy political will)
And to make it only
A divine, last and final book.
A divine, last and final book.
Islam caused a kind of politics
And the same politics caused
The Islam and Quran to happen
As it is today.
Political Islam wanted
Not to be questioned and disputed at all.
And the same politics caused
The Islam and Quran to happen
As it is today.
Political Islam wanted
Not to be questioned and disputed at all.
So did they have to give
A full stop to prophet-hood.
So, did they have to kill Musailima.
So did they have to give finality to
Quran, Islam and Mohammed.
A full stop to prophet-hood.
So, did they have to kill Musailima.
So did they have to give finality to
Quran, Islam and Mohammed.
It wanted to give a full stop to
it,
Its book and its Mohammed
Its book and its Mohammed
So that no one and no book
Coming after him and Quran
Can question Islam and its politics.
Coming after him and Quran
Can question Islam and its politics.
Like the case of any
country's constitution
Mohamed and Quran
became.
Unquestionable.
Dear Razak,
I will not be unhappy at
all
If I don't get even one to follow.
I don't do this
With and for a group with me.
With and for a group with me.
I am doing and talking it alone.
I am happy to know and embrace
God and truth alone.
Feeling and experiencing alone.
Giving every else too the same freedom
To embrace, feel and experience
Truth and God alone.
Giving every else too the same freedom
To embrace, feel and experience
Truth and God alone.
Absolute truth and God
Can be felt and experienced only alone.
Just subjectively. idolized.
Never objectively idolized.
Can be felt and experienced only alone.
Just subjectively. idolized.
Never objectively idolized.
I do think Mohammed and
Jesus
Were doing so.
Were doing so.
I don't think Mohammed
or Jesus
Or Krishna or Buddha
Got anyone to follow in real terms
In this way.
Or Krishna or Buddha
Got anyone to follow in real terms
In this way.
Billions of Muslims are not
The real Mohammed's followers.
Neither Christian or Buddhists or Hindus
Are of Jesus or Buddha or Krishna.
They can't be. Because,
No one can follow other in real terms.
The real Mohammed's followers.
Neither Christian or Buddhists or Hindus
Are of Jesus or Buddha or Krishna.
They can't be. Because,
No one can follow other in real terms.
They are the followers of
Mohammed
Or Krishna or Jesus or Buddha
They are taught with.
Or Krishna or Jesus or Buddha
They are taught with.
They are the Abujahls of
Muhammed's time.
Abujahals and his interpreters rules the world ever,
With respect to spirituality
of absolute truth and God.
Without giving real
access to real God and truth.
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