PRAYER IN ISLAM AND GAYATRI MANTRA - ONE AND ONLY. THE SAME . ONLY FINAL CONCLUSION IS THERE IS NO FINAL CONCLUSION.

ONE’S FINAL CONCLUSION SHOULD BE TO SAY THERE IS NO FINAL CONCLUSION.

Dear brother..... Very good attitude. Really appreciated..... 
This should be the attitude of any real seeker, be it is me or you.

Without giving full stop. Rather keeping oneself open.

There is no end or stop to seeking.

No one should say he has found the final and he has got the final conclusion,

To deny other conclusions and chance of having other conclusions.

One’s final conclusion should be to say there is no final conclusion.

One’s full stop should be to say there is no full stop.

That is why, my dear brother,

In your Islam too it is compulsory to seek guidance to right path 

17 times a day compulsorily (Ihdina Swiraath al musthaqeem).

Because no mu'min or no Muslim or no muttaqi should consider himself as as Muhthadi 

As one who has got the right path.
Because no religion is a right path
but one of the many paths to right path.

Or there is no one and only right path.

Rather all the paths are and could lead to right path.

And this seeking of right path was compulsory for even Prophet Mohammed.

17 times a day, as part of Farz Namaz (compulsory prayer).

In Islam, in the same sura (lesson), after “Ihdina Swiraath al musthaqeem” (“guide me to right path’),

Did you notice and know

How the same lesson tried to define the right path.

It defined in an undefined way.

It did not say this path or that path.

It did not give name to the path (of Islam or Hinduism or Judaism or Buddhism or Christianity).

Rather it kept silent and open.

It gave only attributes to the right path

As the path of all the blessed through out the history.

Not of any who got cursed through out the history.

Not of the one who got deviated.

How good un-defining definition is this!!!

I too am following and asking every one to follow this,

Without putting conclusion and full-stop and becoming intolerant and extreme for the same.

And did you know the only compulsory prayer in Islam is
Seeking the right path.
There is no other compulsory prayer in Islam than seeking truth and right path.
And what all prayers are there in  Islam, 
Is either not a prayer as such or is not compulsory.

And did you also know this is the prayer in Gayatri Mantra too
Just seeking the right path.

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So, at the maximum one can think and say that

He is on the path of seeking right path. One of the many such paths.

All the religions can be at the maximum such different paths of seeking the same.

Not the path of conclusion to seeking.

So, need to seek the right path everyday, every time,

Intentionally and meaning it,

That is, and should be, the crux and soul of all beliefs.

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But dear brother…..,

One thing I would dare say to you.

Everything cannot be easily shared and exchanged.

Especially no real feelings or knowledge in one's life can be shared and exchanged.

This you can easily understand with all your original natural experiences, feeling and knowledge.

No one can share any of their original natural feelings or knowledge

Of pain or sweetness or bitterness or happiness or sadness or any of such.

These all knowledge or experiences or feelings are totally subjective.

One's experiencing the truth and God also is and will be totally subjective...

It can't be objective and shared equally.

Hence, each one will have his own way of experiencing and feeling God.

No argument and debates can make the other convinced.

Rather it will create only the noise and will force each other to close the doors to each other.

This you can easily feel and understand in the attitude of some of the people in the debates.

I don’t blame them.

It happens naturally so with the debates.

The people in debates, to prove their way as the only right way,

Become easily intolerant and envious.

They will become afraid (with their envy and fear thereby)

Of getting supremacy and advertisements to others’ views

Which they want for theirs in all the walks of life.

So, they easily close the doors on the face, intolerantly.

Only because it is totally subjective, 
Seeking right path and truth has been made compulsory on each one individually and pesonally.

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To your question about Rooh and its meaning, even islamically.

Rooh (spirit or soul) has three meaning at least.

1.     Rooh means aaathmaavu or chaithanyam that makes body living ( as per the belief that the rooh or soul is something different and separate from our bod

2.      Rooh means Gibreel (Gabriel) as meant in sura Al Qadr (thanazzalu almalaa’ikathu warrohu feeha)

3.      Rooh mean God too. Why? Quran says “nafakhna feeehi min roohin minna).

“We breathed in him the with/from rooh from us or from rooh within us (God)”.

What ever that comes from God and from within God is and has to be God only. 
Hope your doubt in this case is cleared,

Or hope you will think that I have gone with one of the main possible meaning to the rooh,

Which in any way or in any other way can’t be wrong.

Even otherwise, how and from where will God create anything, if nothing is there other than God.

He will create everything from him only.

So within and without only God.

THAT IS WHY GREAT MOTHER INDIA LEFT GOD TO PEOPLE's CHOICE TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCESS THE WAY THEY CAN AND THEY WANT.

THAT IS WHY GREAT MOTHER INDIA LEFT GOD TO ITS PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCESS THE WAY THEY CAN AND THEY WANT.

God knows (and has to know) who God is?

God doesn't need your or my help to know who he is. 

It is not right and it is not our duty too to define, limit and confine God.

Hence, we are not supposed to , or we should not,

Define, limit and confine him to our relative small definitions

Especially to say other definitions are wrong.

That is why I keep silence to the question "who is God?".  

To save you and all from confining and limiting God.

Rather I give you your space and freedom (which God himself gave you)

To imagine the way you want ,

But with a condition of giving others the same space and freedom

To imagine in their own away.  

Every one can easily access God in their own way.

There needs no religion to mediate him.

He is so free and open.

So direct, as around and within.  

And only definition (if at all) God can have is that

He cannot be defined

And no definitions can contain him.

God is free and God is free to all.

God is not a property of any one or any religion

To be defined and limited only by them.  

Please don’t try to register and take proprietary and copy right of God.

If at all God is a property, he is a property of all.

Each one can define and imagine God

The way each one wants to imagine and define.

Please don’t take away the freedom God gave to men and all creatures

(if they can be called creatures as such, only God knows)

To establish only you (or we) are right and others are wrong.

If at all you need to define and confine God,

Then and there, God will become a devil.

A threatening and promising devil.

A devil  who will become pleased and angry for reasons.

A devil who is so dependent on others’ approval and belief of him.

A devil that will need to market and advertise him

Because of no-confidence in himself.

Feeling God and experiencing God is totally a subjective thing,

Not at all objective.

Religions denies that subjectivity.

Especially Semitic religions, claiming exclusivity to its definition.

It is foolish to say and define objectively who God is.

God is the one who is indefinable and unconfinable.

He is not an object for you to define.  

Rather, you be an object, defined by God.

And, for argument sake,

If you define God to your relative talk and walk,

According to your imagination or some one’s imagination,

You have to understand that

There can be millions of such relative definitions

To God.

And all such definition will equally be right and wrong in the meantime.

Any definition of God will be like

The talk of blind people about the elephant.

All equally true. But all equally wrong too.

So, I did not want to give one of such answer or definition.

Or I did not want you to be one of such blinds to define.

I did not give my sight to you

To make you imagine about my sight

From your blindness.

Here is the problem with religions and religious preachers.

Especially Semitic religions and its preachers.

They want to define and confine God to theirs.

And they want all others go only by their definition.

In this way, Semitic religions make their God to be a devil.

The threatening, asking, needing, promising, offering God.

A kind of God who will become angry or happy

Or who will get pleased or unhappy for reasons.  

So dependent a God. 

Such religions are be-fooling and belittling God.

They depict God to be like a joker or a politician

Desperately looking for others attention and approval.

Also such religions are also adamant and arrogant

To say only their definition is right

And all other definitions and talks about God are wrong.  

There comes up the problem of intolerance and extremism.

God is open and is in open.

Please don’t define and limit God to your or my saying about him.

Please don’t raise definitive questions about God.

Rather than limiting and defining God into your talk

Try to know you are a defined one by God
And try to expand yourself to God.  

Please try  to expand yourself to God

Than limiting and confining God in your talks and definitions.

Let yourself be defined by God than you define God.

He needs no one.

But all need him

That is why India left god

To peoples choice and freedom

To understand and access

The way they can and they want.

GOD IS AN INDIAN TOO. HIS TONGUE IS OF INDIAN TOO.

 

My God is Indian too.

Not necessarily an arabian
Or a persian or a foreign ....


His tongue is of Indian too.


 

He can talk Indian
And he can hear Indian

 

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If God is

Both absolute and relative,

Why can’t he be an Indian too?

Why shall he be only a foreign?

 

For sure,

God has not to be necessarily only a foreign.

 

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Not only an Indian my God is….

But he is also of my locality too…

 

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So, seek him and talk to my God

The way you do seek and talk to each other locally.

 

Call and address him

The way you call each other in your tongue locally

With all the attributes and names that are local and Indian .

 

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To reach God

Don’t find it necessary

To go outside your locality or India.

 

To address and name God

Don’t feel necessity of

A foreign name in foreign tongue

 

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God is reachable

From and within your India too …

From and within your locality too….

 

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You can talk to God

And God can talk to you

In any language that is Indian too…

In any language that is yours too …

 

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At least I can assure you

From my real experience that:

 

My God is known to me

And I am known to my God.

 

We interact each other

In our own way.

Quite relatively….

All prayers are attempts and efforts too to expand and contract.

Prayers are 

Attempts and efforts

To expand and contract.

 

 

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Expanding self

To reach and fit

In the absolute,

In God.

 

A dew drop’s reaching and becoming

One with the ocean,

Moving with the force of its prayer.

 

A dew drop’s evaporation to become

One with the heaven,

With the heat of its prayer.

 

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Contracting  God

To reach and fit

Into the relative.

In self.

 

Ocean in a dew drop,

As one with the dew drop.

 

Heaven  in  a dew drop

As one with the dew drop.

Any one who is desperate, is a devil too. Religions deny god

God that is relative is anything and anyone.
There God is you and me, good and bad,
Negative and positive, anything and everything

So, God that is relative is devil too.


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Religions deny god to the world.
Because its God is in its confinemnts and definitions only.

Confining and defining means,
Denying to the world beyond its confinements and definitions.


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God is God when he is undefined and unconfined

Or God is God when he is defined and confined
In all names, forms, ways and beyond all such.

No-definition and no-confinement should mean
All confinements and definitions and beyond.


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Religions make God to be devil or like creatures.

Becasue God that is confined and defined is devil or a creature.

And devil and creatures are the ones
Who are confined and defined.

And any one confined and defined
Are the ones denied and desperate.
Needing to have external support and hence needing
To ask, request, threaten and make promises and offers.

Any one who is desperate, is a devil too.
Devil is the one who is denied, hence desperate,
Walking with jealouse, hatred, enimity and intolerance.



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Confined and defined,  
One will not become all and the whole.

He will be denied of all those
Beyond his definition and confinements.


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Religions represent a kind of a God of desperation.

Hence a devil of jealouse, hatred, enemity and intolerance
Who needs to request, ask, threaten and make promises
And who needs to market and advertise him again and again.

The soul of all prayers is killed: When it is ......

The soul of any prayer is killed:



When it is ordained to be done

Than letting it happen by its own.



When its time and place is decided by others

Than letting it happen anywhere, any time.



When it is done, for no choice, as per the order,

Than causing it to flow the way it will, spontaneously



When it is done, under compulsion, imitating and emulating forefathers

Than letting one sprout with his prayers the way he does by his own.



When it is asked to be done in the group and with the group

Than letting each one do the way he wants by his own.



Water that is above the fire and really boiling

Needs no order and model to boil and send the vapors up.



The vapors of prayer will go automatically up, the way it will go,
When it is really hot and boiling, by its won.
With no pretensions and formalities.

And the water that is really cold and frozen,
Unless it is heated up, will never be hot and boiling.


And hence, will never be sending the vapors up
Even if thousands of orders and models are given to it.

God is both absolute and relative. And you too....

God is both absolute and relative.
And you too....

God in absolute
Has no definition, but all.
Has no confinement, but all.
Has no form, but all.
Has no name, but all.

So address him or address him not
With or without any name,  but all.
With or without any form, but all.
Within or without any definition, but all.
Without being able to confine and define him.
Without being able to address or name him.

No name can address him.
No form can represent him.
No definition can explain him.
No confinements can contain him.


God in relative
Have all definitions, but none.
Has all confinements, but none.
Has all names, but none
Has all forms, but none.
Making all equally wrong and right, in the meantime.
Being able to confine and define him in any.
Being able to address and name him with any.


Any name can address him.

Any form can represent him.
Any definition can explain him.
Any confinements can contain him.



Everything you talk about God and truth is true,
Relatively true.

In the mean time,
Everything you talk about God and truth is untrue too.
Relatively untrue.

Especially if you happen to consider
Only you and what you think and talk  is true.